Sign up to get updates and access to exclusive promotions. Generally speaking, ~3.3 grains of Titegroup using a 147 grain bullet is about as vanilla of a competition load as it gets. I use the Caldwell chrono and it statesthat the unit must be 10-15 ft from the muzzle for the reading. Load two according to the new data for the 124gr XTP has an OAL 1.140 with a power range of 3.6 to 4.1 grains that would make this unsafe. A precision rifle enthusiast and owner of GA Precision, George likely needs little introduction. The google sheet has been updated for those interested in the difference or who want to reference the sheet. For 231 I used 4.3 gr @ 1.130" OAL. A consistent shooter, Regina has finished in the Top 20 routinely and in the Top 10 quite frequently in both the National Rifle League and Precision Rifle Series. Both Plated round nose and JHP. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. You need to get teh double disc kit. The Lyman 44th Edition has data for Bullseye, Red Dot, Unique and Herco for 158 grain cast lead bullets . Special Order 9MM (.356) 38/.357 (.358) 125 Gr Round Nose; 147 Gr Round Nose; 158 Gr Semi Wad Cutter; . Sowhat about Titegroup and what do some cases look like? Display as a link instead, For over 25 years, he has worked in the firearms industry in product development, working and consulting with small arms manufacturing and related products. After starting a life and career in Tulsa, she pursued barrel racing until she found 3-Gun in 2009. In fact, Jake has compiled more wins than any other Shooter in the United States at national level Precision Rifle Series and National Rifle League events during that span. Hope this helps some others develop some loads. You cannot paste images directly. The bullets I have available are 124gr/125gr plated and jacketed and 147gr plated. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. Boris_La . Soon I got a lot more comfortable as I did it a lot. My guess is 900 FPS jacketed load is getting close to not being able to guarantee the bullet always leaving the barrel, where a 1000 FPS load is more certain. I use 4.5 gns with Federal primers loaded to an OAL of 1.130. Todd is a competitive shooter and firearms instructor. A lot of this powder fits in a case, over 10 grains, easily. This is a good consistent and uniform powder, reloads easy and accurate. I got the Titegroup on a recommendation. I am gonna give it a try. Obligatory start low and work your way up I`m using 3.8 gr for the plated, and 4.2 gr for the JHP. Your previous content has been restored. The Wester #1 and Sierra #7 Manuals have 9mm +P data. For more information, go towww.P65Warnings.ca.gov. I dont plan on stopping anytime soon and this year is scheduled to be as busy as any while shooting 4 different series. I use tight group for 9mm. The gun to be used is a Sig M11-A1 9mm, 4" barrel, standard recoil spring. After serving his country, George spent 20 years serving his community as a police officer. Phillip is also well known as a nationally ranked precision rifle competitor in the Precision Rifle Series and National Rifle League circuits. Used Titegroup and a variety of different weight and mfg bullets. May 7, 2012 9mm 124 gr FMJ 1.15" COL 4.3 gr Titegroup (a little hot) No issues there. Some flake powders have a wider range and they need it because they meter poorly. Just In the 2019 season, he will compete in twelve two-day national matches and 15 regional matches across the country, totaling 4,170 precision hand-loaded match rounds burning roughly 131,355 grains (18.75 pounds) of Varget in matches alone. She has competed on the TV series, 3 Gun Nation as well as an upcoming show called The Big Gun on Sportsman Channel, airing in Q1 2016. Otherwise I would go 10% below the start for the closest slug the book had. She helps organize and coordinate Arizonas own national level event, the Tactical Precision Rifle Challenge. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. As a beginner reloader, I'm looking for Titegroup load data for 9mm for 115 grains FMJ. behind a 115gr. There simply isn't much load data for the super-heavy 9mm bullets. Lee, Lyman, Hodgdon, Hornady, all sorts of manuals have data. I can't seem to find the load data for 115gr FMJ w/Titegroup powder online or in the Lyman 49th manual. Obligatory start low and work your way upSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk, Went out and tested 4 more loads today (2 of the same load) and got extremely similar results. Titegroups unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. Ryan earned a Bachelors of Science in Chemistry and Plastics Engineering as well as a Masters of Science in Engineering Technologies. It's the cheapest and most available powder for 9mm in my area. Baseball won over for a time when it took him to Gonzaga University on scholarship as a pitcher for the Bulldogs. Hodgton indicates you can go to 4.1. Its popularity soared after World War II, and the U.S. military adopted the 9x19mm as its service pistol round in 1985. Really..so, how would someone measure that? After graduating college, Ryan moved to Tulsa, OK to take a position as a plastics engineer and in 2011 began shooting 3-Gun competitively. Titegroup This is a flattened spherical powder. Her assignments included Patrol, Street Crimes, Narcotics, and Gangs. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Available in 1 lb., 4 lb. The .357 Sig handloads could have been loaded even hotter. MM thanks for that comment on the adjustable charge bar. /wp-content/uploads/2016/08/HODGDON_LOGO_DARK.png, https://hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/titegroup_1_lb.jpg. OAL is about 1.139 give or take. Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by jell-dog, Mar 14, 2017. YMMV. Hailing from the Kansas City-area, Jaclyn is a rifle shooter specializing in precision rifle shooting. Hodgdon Titegroup: Quest for the Perfect 9mm Hand Load Part 10 So filling up half way looks normal. HP and RN load data are practically interchangeable since you should be working up from the minimum anyways. 3.4 gr. Panel recommends more gun restrictions to lower military suicides, 12ga progressive reloader Ponsness Warren, (250) Hornady XTP 45 Cal 300gr Projectiles, Vintage Bushnell ScopeChief 22LR 4x scope. COAL are generally +/- 0.005" seated using Lee seating die. Believe me, I'm not TRYING to stretch or bend any rules. We place limited powder inventory for sale on a regular basis on our website. Titegroup is what people generally buy when they are trying to make budget loads, and the general best Titegroup loads are between 3-4 grains of powder only, so you can load a lot of rounds with just 1 pound. Nuff said. Titegroup: 0.356" 1.100" 3 . At first I was a little leery when I could not find the exact bullet I wanted to use with the powder I was using. She remains the only female to take home overall wins in national level precision rifle competitions when she won the 2016 NorCal Tactical Bolt Rifle Challenge and 2018 K&M Kahles Precision Rifle Competition. The Lee second edition manual shows 115gr jacketed has 4.8gr max at 1.125 oal for 1158fps. This is safe, yes? 2.8 gr. My brother gave me some Titegroup. I like using this gun because I've heard HK tests it at 2x max pressure specs for the 9mm. But we're just a free cock punch away from finding out how badass you really are. Ryan and Dianna continue to not only compete, but train and film all over the country. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Just dirty as we ever seen and HOT. In just five years, he has earned an impressive shooting resume with consistent top finishes at national level events. Phillip has attended all follow-on formal Scout Sniper courses, having graduated with honors and recognized as High Shooter from all. I am doing 3.7gr of Titegroup 124gr bullet. I have found charge weights that fall in the allowable range. As of 2014, Ryan and Dianna have become full time hunters and competitors, focusing most predominately on 3-Gun. The largest difference was just over 1fps over a 10 shot average. 9 mm Luger - Published Manufacturer Loading Data. Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. Early on, its pointy full-metal-jacket rounds gave the 9x19mm a reputation as a horrible antipersonnel round. I was ordering my daughter an archery set and decided to order a Lee classic loader in 9mm. All calculations were done by hand using formulas, please let me know if anything seems off. Runs 100% reliable in everything, including 9mm AR and Beretta CX4 Storm. You are using an out of date browser which is likely incompatible with our website. We continue to prioritize our shipments to our traditional sales channels to maximize powder availability at retailers. In her off time, Regina writes for many publications in both print and digital mediums, trains other shooters, and mentors several up-and-coming female competitors in the precision rifle discipline. An avid outdoorsman, he enjoys hunting and fishing with his family and mentoring youth through his ministry service. FMJ in my XD-9 vel. I looked at 9mm load data for 115, 124, 147gr and the range for Titegroup is, well, tight. Each week the Schearer family will hunt with a variety of weapons from archery, muzzleloader and shotgun to centerfire rifles and will not only focus on the hunt, but will be filled with educational tips to make the viewers better sportsmen and sportswomen. He harvested his first turkey and whitetail deer at age 5 and completed his turkey grand slam by age 11. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. That is all the negatives about it, it shoots just fine, its very economical and its just fine with accuracy. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. They are impressed by the light recoil and how cheap it is compared to buying new AA shells for practice or matches. No Charges? ABOUT CHAD: Chad is a world champion elk caller and two-time Eastern US Elk Calling Champion. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. I know a lot of USPSA shooters who use it for their 9mm minor loads. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. When we are sold out, we are sold out. I haven't shot any yet but it would be disappointing if I had to pull 150 bullets. In 2016, she plans to lead a delegate of women to Capitol Hill in an effort to give legislators a face to put with gun owners. I thought one was supposed to be at least 10 feet away from the chronograph when measuring velocity. Thanks for your patience. The largest difference was just over 1fps over a 10 shot average. Walker loves waterfowl hunting with his black lab Pow. Gaige Grosskreutz -- The Felon Shot By Kyle Rittenhouse. If you don't mind my asking, where did your recipe come from? I have shot benchrest, F-Class, PRS, ELR, NRL hunter, and field matches. and 8 lb. So I looked up the Titegroup load data and The 115 grain 9mm load data for LRN is only .5 grains less than the 230 grain 45ACP LRN. We will pass. Shes also the co-director of her local club, the AZ LRPRS, assisting in facilitating monthly matches throughout the year. I'm hoping this data may help some others that are looking for some data with Titegroup powder. You will get better accuracy and much better function with a mid-burn rate powder such as Unique, Universal, AA#5, or Power Pistol. Although such an edge clearly exists, its significance cannot be quantified". I try to use a longer than suggested OAL just help with pressures etc. Titegroups unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. Titegroup has it all low charge weight, burns clean, mild muzzle report and superb, uniform ballistics. I have been trying to get a 9mm 124gr RN load to reach 1200fps. You are using an out of date browser. Pressure 27,100 to 31,400. I dont remember my powder charger right off the top of my head. The current Lyman manual (49th Edition) does not have load data for anything heavier than 147 grains, but older manuals do. Precision is making and looks forward to the future of creating the best professional custom rifles on the market. He is also a noted TV personality, regularly appearing on TV programs Shooting USA. I have spent a lot of time perusing through the 9mm Reloading section and it seems that most folks who are using 124gr FMJ & JHP bullets with Titegroup are loading their cases with 4.0gr to 4.2gr of powder. Zach, a resident of McCook, Nebraska, started shooting trap and hunting when he was 10. Powder is generally +/- 0.1 gr as it dropped using a Hornady powder drop on my Dillon xl650(although usually right at the listed charge). Doubling that will come close to including practice rounds spent at his one-of-a-kind shooting range he built on the edge of the Snake River Canyon. What is your favorite firearm to load for? I am about to load my first rounds and need some data. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. I ended up finding data for it on the instructions for the powder measure. Wyatt has won numerous elk calling competitions at the ISE Best of the West Elk Calling Competition. JavaScript is disabled. Posted by Donald H Nolen on Sep 26th 2022. I didn't think I was moving that fast, I just didn't know that I couldn't use FMJ data for the Berry's bullets. My name is Robert Brantley and I have been obsessed with precision rifle since 2007. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, training, shows, accessories, classifieds, and more! Notes: Chronograph figures are for five rounds taken with the start screen at approximately 6 feet. The google sheet has been updated for those interested in the difference or who want to reference the sheet. The larger permanent cavity may lead to faster blood loss. This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old . Powered by Invision Community. He was trained as an armorer in the US Army, where he spent six years as a Military Police Investigator. In 1999, George opened GA Precision after apprenticing with three gunsmiths. Why? Its no wonder so many people love this powder for their economical loads, its cheap AND accurate. This is a flattened spherical powder. Jan 30, 2011 (Edited) I can't seem to find the load data for 115gr FMJ w/Titegroup powder online or in the Lyman 49th manual. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Nuts accurate. #1 As a beginner reloader, I'm looking for Titegroup load data for 9mm for 115 grains FMJ. containers. Titegroup is what people generally buy when they are trying to make budget loads, and the general best Titegroup loads are between 3-4 grains of powder only, so you can load a lot of rounds with just 1 pound. Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. containers. I do know its about mid charge range tho. Unique - 5.7 gn - 1250 fps. Hmmm, I use the .40 cavity and get pretty consistent 4.5gn drops with Titegroup. Started at 3.8 but it would not cycle my guns correctly so had to up it. Titegroup has it all - low charge weight, burns clean, mild muzzle report and superb, uniform ballistics. In cases like this 9mm I would use the start data for the next heavier slug if that was there. My question is how much would you load into a 158gr bullet. Those who would emasculate Americans by denying them the right to bear arms are guilty of aiding and abetting evil when it strikes. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DSbEZeGeToe2YIoHyMXMjO9Oyp_dvQEM7VJ3tqfdwg0/edit?usp=sharing. Pasted as rich text. Skip this one, you can do better. I was happy at 4.0 gr in M&P 9 and Sig p938. Works good in everything from my 1911 to Glock YMMV. WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. She has also competed for the USA in two Pan-American Shotgun matches and the 2015 IPSC World Shotgun Ladies team that brought home gold! ABOUT MARSHA: Marsha is the co-host of Shoot Straight with Chad & Marsha and is a Licensed Montana Professional Guide. Loading is always at your own risk. A forum community dedicated to Glock firearm owners and enthusiasts. Maybe Ill do another test with the chrono 10ft away and see if I get any difference in results, thanks. The maxorder quantity of any powder SKU is, https://shop.hodgdon.com/sites/www/files/2022-04/2022-Hodgdon%20Spherical%20Pow. and 8 lb. I am also using the Xtreme bullets. We do not take backorders and our Tech Services team cannot take orders via email or phone. Tested 3.6-4.0 gr titegroup with berry's RN 124, col 1.150. There aint nothin like the smell of burnt gunpowder in the mornin. Hell they even have chrono`s that mount right on the barrels of rifles these days. I think someone posted that very information just yesterday. After taking up competitive shooting in 2016, she, won the Precision Rifle Series Production division in 2017 with her Savage Stealth. C.O.A.L. A devoted husband and father, Jake has formal degrees in sports medicine and youth ministry. 124g berrys over 3.9g of titegroup 1.149 OAL. Brian Neace grew up in Southern Idaho in the Snake River Plain, surrounded by miles and miles of high desert to the north and bordered on the south by public wilderness. Does it make a difference? In the last several years I have really focussed on the PRS, ELR, and NRL Hunter. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. I use a Lee turret with the AutoDisk, and I'm finding that one cavity is at or lower than the recommended min charge, and the next cavity up is at or higher than the recommended max charge. His last three years of service were spent at the 1st Marine Division Scout Sniper School as the Primary Marksmanship Instructor. Upgrade efforts paused for now. 4 hours ago, looking4reloadingdeals said: 6 hours ago, looking4reloadingdeals said: I use the Caldwell chrono and it statesthat the unit must be 10-15 ft from the muzzle for the reading. December 31, 2019 in 9mm/38 Caliber. Jake travels the country shooting, directing precision rifle matches, and teaching precision rifle classes. Unique - 4.6 gn - 1100 fps. It's for practice, not for competition. Since opening GA Precision, George has been building some of the finest precision bolt guns and custom rifles. Reloading is a personal responsibility and you must start low and work up and NEVER ASSUME. Looks like i will test some 4.0 and 4.2 as long as they stay below 1200. Quickly he was attending weekly, monthly, and annual shoots, which included Nebraska state, USAYESS, and many more. I'm thinken a 124 cast over 4.0 of titegroup has anyone tried that. Phillip is a 10-year Marine Corps veteran having served his whole career in the Scout Sniper community. JavaScript is disabled. I shoot X-treme plated at 4.1 grains. Unique. I use Titegroup in my sig p320. I tried to make it "view only", if for some reason it does not come across that way please don't edit the document and let me know so I can adjust it. . 100% of all my handloads are done withHodgdonbrands. Later, he started a granite countertop business allows him the time to pursue his passion for long-range shooting and high-country public land mule deer and elk hunting. Berry's RN plated, 4.0gr Titegroup 1.143" OAL No issues running in STI Spartan, Glock 26,19,17 & 34 or my 9mm AR I put together with a NES YHM lower. For a newb, you are treading on very thin ice & IMO, haven't enough exp to determine if your load is "fine". I use titegroup for 9mm using the Lee charge disk on my turret press. He play trumpet in the Junior High Band and I am an honor roll student at St. Pats. Makes an impression on you. Seen a few of those over the years. In Pistols and Revolvers.. 1.100 in. Then work up from there. It's for practice, not for competition. I sold off all except Titegroup. Make an introduction to Jake and youll instantly receive a big grin and firm handshake. Through shooting, Zach has met many people in the shooting community. That's why when I figured out that my previous loads were unsafe I called Berry's to get correct info. I used data for 115gr FMJ because I thought that's what the Berry's bullets were. When you load this stuff, you better be focused on what you are doing, its not recommended for anyone that loads with many powders around, constantlys swapping powders. He still serves the NKCPD as a Range Officer volunteer today. I use 3.5g Titegroup under a 147g JHP. I've had no issues in sever thousand loads, other than having to adjust COAL a few thousandths one way or the other. They are calibrated at/for specified distances. . I've been shooting 4.0 grains of Titegroup with Berry's 124gr. She recently took on the role of Southwest Regional Director for the Precision Rifle Series. In my time I have worked on improving myself to take it as high as I can. Zach has several friends that are getting into reloading shotshells because of Zachs reloads. After this I would consider most all of the load data above close enough to start load development with. After looking at my previous set ups, the chrono was likely at about 7 feet, not 5. Titegroup's unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. Makes a difference the JHP will be a little hot for FMJ - assuming you are not making SD rounds. Titegroup works very well for the load I am using on a wildcat. More details in the thread in Tech Support for those who are interested. When we say same bullet, same case, same primer, what we mean is each case/bullet/primer is weighed . Appreciate the input. It's accurate and reliable. FYI, when you think about it..even the amount of crimp can/will/could affect things. Better to be too careful than blow something up. Varget and H-4350 are the go to but since Ive been running some IMR Enduron powders that seem to work very good as well. I'll just try out 10-20 rds at min load and see how they go. Nov 7, 2015. Snake River PRS club has become his pride and joy with a dedication to growing the sport by recruiting and supporting new and youth shooters. They are snappy, but fun to shoot. I used 4.5 grains of Titegroup with a 115 grain Berry's FMJ bullet and an OAL of 1.125 to 1.130. The game hooked me, but I fell in love with the people! Since returning to competition on 2009, Dianna has earned a plethora of High Lady wins, including the 2013 and 2016 USPSA Ladies Open National Championship. I will be shooting mostly target at the range, 150-200 rounds per visit. In Brians first full season, he achieved several top ten finishes, two regional match wins, and a 20thplace overall finish in the National Rifle League. I want to be safe. Does anyone have a link to somewhere with this info? I saw that there, Rusty, but I need data for FMJ, not HP. http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp, https://fsreloading.com/lee-precision-perfect-powder-measure-90058.html, Firearms News and Firearms related political news. He has over 35 years experience in shooting, with approximately 50 tons of projectiles downrange with the assistance of Hodgdon Powder. I am now loading 4.1 grains TG with OAL of 1.135 to 1.140 inches. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. 3 grains? 9mm has a rather consistent 115gr OAL. I havent had a problem yet. tysdad115 Rating - 100% 15 0 0 Joined WARNING: If you are a newer reloader, you do not want to start out using this powder. Starting load is 4.5gr for 1135fps. Feb 27, 2020. Thanks all. 1 - 4 of 4 Posts. I just loaded 1000 124 grain plated bullets with 4.2 grains of Titegroup. RN for about 10 years with excellent results in my Glocks and STI pistols. "Given adequate penetration, a larger diameter bullet will have an edge in wounding effectiveness. LOL. So it is interesting that the starting 124gr load did not show a load for 900fps. The snubnosed .38 and .45 ACP handloads also turned in good results. Load at your own risk. That will allow you to get a finer-tuned powder drop. Although her family hobby was horse shows and barrel racing, her father introduced her to USPSA in high school. A forum community dedicated to Carolina firearm owners and enthusiasts. Today, it is a popular military and law enforcement handgun cartridge. As the name implies, this spherical propellant was designed for accuracy. This made me wonder if it is a velocity issue, or a powder charge below 3.7gr issue since all these loads are for the same bullets. Your link has been automatically embedded. This is my first time posting a link to a google sheets doc. Many of these are 131-135 PF, which are plausible competition loads. You don't want to just use data from a similar bullet. Growing up on a secluded farm in rural southeast Kansas, Ryan spent the greater part of his childhood in the woods, plinking and hunting. This is a new powder to me and I understand that it is a fast burn powder. For instance I use Montana Gold hollow points and consider them to be pretty much the same as Speer/Hornady. First reloading experience was disappointing until I learned the process and started making very consistent ammo. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. One is hard pressed to find a nicer person. Maximum loads from Sierra: 115 gn bullets: Titegroup - 3.6 gn - 1100 fps. We recommend upgrading your current browser or. THR Group Project - PISTOL - Advanced Reloading Concepts and Discussions. I have been all over the internet looking for a good, sound load for my 9mm. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. It can be very dangerous because its so fast burning. Nam Vet, TiteGroup burns too fast for 9mm. All bullets were taper crimped as a separate step in the handloading . I could manually measure amounts in the middle of the range, but I'd rather use the AutoDisk, which has cavities with volumes corresponding to the edges of the recommended range. Test gun is a HK P30L, which has about a 4.75" barrel. In addition to shooting, Zach plays plays baseball, basketball, football, and track & field. By 2011, she sold her farm and all of her horses to focus on 3-Gun and the 2nd Amendment. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one!